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- 15th February 2007 at 10:52 am #11315
Tks Pastasimon
I think that one of the reasons I like the site I mentioned is that they should be easy to fit and i wont have to cut holes, fit shafts etc, and the batteries they use look very interesting. Anyway I have asked for a quote
rgds15th February 2007 at 2:54 pm #11316Let me know what the quote is please -maybe a discount for a bulk purchase?!
23rd February 2007 at 8:06 am #11317Hi Pastasimon
Had a lok at the R-E. Cant fit them on the H26 and dont whant to drill holes. However now have the quote from Torqeedo and it's great
Two 6hp electric engines for 3,447 EU and all control gear ,battery cables and two throttles for another 700. Will be getting them mid year.
Unfortunately the Lithium battries are nearly 3000 each and I need 4.
New project.
Find decent batteries at a price I can afford.Best regards
Steve26th February 2007 at 12:06 pm #11313Just check that price because the UK price is £925 for one = EU 2,775 for two units.
3rd March 2007 at 8:18 am #11318Tks Pastasimon
What price for the batteries ??5th March 2007 at 7:35 pm #11319Steve, I’d be very interested to know how those Torqueedo’s perform.
For batteries, it seems that the good old 6v Trojan T-105 golf cart batteries are hard to beat for value.
Li batteries are obviously much better weight per amp hour but very, very expensive and can be dangerous, core meltdown isn’t pretty at all. http://www.valence.com/SafetyVideo.asp There are some Li batteries that are not dangerous but are pricey. http://www.valence.com at about:
U24-12XP: $ 2,000 (<50 pcs.); $ 1,500 (50 - 250 pcs.); $ 1,200 (>250 pcs.)
Of course if you calculate the number of cycles etc. it works out about the same or less cost as the T-105 but there is a 4% annual loss so unless you are using it every day it doesn’t compete price wise but definitely gives you a weight advantage. I guess it all depends on how much motor time you need if you’re a coastal cruiser and how much spare cash you got lying around. These batteries would be great for a electric car that you use every day but I don’t think they qualify for a boat. If you plan on going cruising I would look at taking the minimal amount of batteries and using a generator.I’ve been scratching my head with this electric option for quite some months; I’m now considering these options reasonably seriously:
Stiletto sail drive with a Lemco LEM-200 motor and a 4 quadrant controller for regen under sail. Apparently you can get about 10-15% regen under sail over 3 kts. So 10 hours of sailing over 3kts will give you an hour of motoring at the average speed. (This is a guess at the moment I’m working on getting reasonably accurate numbers for this)
Twin Torqeedo outboards, 4Kw total, their efficiency is very good but sill trying to figure out if they have enough power to get to 6 knots. (I need this much power cause the wind almost always comes straight down the southern California coast, so going north is at night mostly under power)
Either option with a 28V DC/4.2Kw Ecycle generator in the cockpit. (http://www.ecycle.com/APU.html) DC generators are apparently better due to losses in conversion from AC.This all sounds great but power storage is still a big issue, so unless you have big $ to drop on many li batteries every few years you’ve got to think of a generator option for trips longer than 40 min or when you get into some sticky situation.
I’m leaning toward the Stiletto because I bought my boat with a 30hp outboard on the back and it’s no good at all. Cavitation is a big problem when there are swells, which is most of the time. Having the prop in the center sounds like a far better idea to me and the price/efficiency of the hydraulic option scares me!
A warning on r-e-power, I don’t know who’s math they are using but their HP claims of their motors do not seem realistic at all. I emailed them and they said the 3000 can push her at 8 knots! Sounds fantastic but this just doesn’t add up I’m afraid.
11th July 2007 at 8:01 pm #11320This thread has been an interesting one! I have just ordered a Torqeedo cruise 2. It gives an equivalent 6hp at the prop (diesel engine HP is measured at the crankcase and looses power through the gearbox, shaft seal and prop couplings, so it is comparable with a 6HP inboard). My plan is to mount it on the stern, that way in marina's it can be turned and give the effect of a stern thruster. As at least 80% of our engine usage is for about 15 minutes – entering or leaving the marina or picking up a buoy – the two 100Ah batteries will run it happily. In fact they'll do 5 hours at half throttle, but only 1 hour at full throttle. I'll keep the centrally mounted Yamaha 9.9HP for longer engine runs and for when I need more than 6HP's of grunt. If the Torqeedo works well, I may replace the Yamaha, but I'll need a year of testing first.
I'll keep you all posted on performance. I'm sure that electric propulsion is a good way forward and may become the engine of choice, but not until battery technology is way way better.
Question is, will the torqeedo mounted at the back and turned sideways (it is steerable from the cockpit) have a good turning force or will it just push the boat sideways? I hope I'm right and it does the job!
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12th July 2007 at 5:23 am #11321Simon.
Tks for the email. I think your heading the right way. Glad someone has the B—s to try. I would of done but can't get out there. Can you give us a clue as to what your paying as I have just seen an offer for Pounds 1200 for one unit when I had a previouse offer of around 700.
We, I know everyone, are very interested in the outcome.
Although I will have to cut my bathing platform down a bit I am thinking I will go for two on the transome. Your experiance will decide this.Good luck and best regards
Steve
12th July 2007 at 11:17 am #11322Steve, I'll send you an email about price!
I have a bathing platform too but I could get one either side. I'm not convinced though about outboards on an HT's transom because of the loss of efficiency when the boat is pitching. I do need much more directional control though! Anyway, I won't know till I try, I'll keep you all posted.
13th July 2007 at 8:05 am #11323Thanks Simon
I agree about the final location will probably not be on the transome but they are so small they can probably be fitted into the cotpit somwhereLooking forward to hearing all about it
Best regards
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