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- 30th August 2006 at 1:23 pm #10916
Hi
Has anyone replaced their outboard with an engine/saildrive system? I am looking into it at the moment and think it may be a good alternative to installing twin engines + I do not like carrying loads of petrol onboard for my current 9.9hp outboard.
If you have any views or have considered or done this yourself I would be very interested to hear – many thanks
Sassy
30th August 2006 at 3:13 pm #11290I looked too to this possibility. But the Volvo saildrive for small power engines has only 40 centimeters between the floor level and the propeller shaft and I thought that it was not enough to be sure that the propeller stay in water with rough sea (thinking of course installing a single engine in the central pit).
I am installing two inboards, giving too a lot better manoeuvrability, I think.
IMHO of course….30th August 2006 at 3:46 pm #11291Thanks Yann, I will see if I can find a saildrive with a long shaft maybe that will do the trick?! Sassy
31st August 2006 at 7:39 am #11292Hi Sassy
Yep, I guess a long shaft could resolve the problem.
You probably allready know this site, but I give you the link anyway :
http://home.planet.nl/~g.boere/
For sail drive installing, it can be of some help for you.
Truly
Yann1st September 2006 at 7:19 am #11293Hi Sassy.
I will be very interested in what you can find in the way of a suitable saildrive unit for an HT26. I would like to replace my 9.9 O/B and a saildrive unit would be a lot less hassle to install than twin inboards.
Neville Swan
2nd September 2006 at 9:08 am #11294Hi Neville,
I will be post any information that I get on saildrive units.
Thanks Yann for the info on the website.
Sassy
6th October 2006 at 4:06 pm #11295Hi Sassy,
Some time ago a guy at Thorham marina intalled a Ruggerini diesel outboard on a 8mm cat. Unfortunaely he took the boat away before he could be grilled on her performance. You might do a search on the web and find out whether this may be a viable option. Keep us posted.
Martin Hickson
26th November 2006 at 10:09 pm #11297Hi Sassy,
The sail drive route really won't work as the floor of the engine bay is intended to be 4inches or so above the water line (although it's less on heavier boats!) and the sail drive legs are designed to be mounted lower – for example, the 130S sailldrive fitted to the 13hp and 20hp Volvo D-series engines has a mounting flange to shaft centreline distance of around 20″. Once the mounting flange installation height and the pod to waterline clearance have been taken into account the shaft will only be around 12 inches below the surface of the water. This will mean that with a 13″ prop the blades will only be 5.5 inches below the water level at rest – not enough to prevent severe cavitation. A better option if fitting a single engine would be to install hydraulic drive (quite expensive but very effective) or a “longtail” drive like that fitted to Grey Lag. This a very cheap (just a long drive shaft and a prop) and quite effective solution, if a little unorthadox looking!!
Regards
Mark4th December 2006 at 6:46 pm #11298Hi Sassy,
MarkJ's comment about saildrives is spot on. I fitted a long Sillette Cat-drive to Grey Dove and it worked very well although with the same draw-backs as an outboard, ie a hole in the pod!
My mistake was that I was fixated on having a steerable liftable leg, thereby requiring a big hole. This was a complete waste of time and made the boat vulnerable. If I were to do it again I would fix the leg in position, say with a rubber gasket around where it penetrated the pod, and fit it with a folding prop. That would work nicely. The leg itself is relatively slender and the longshaft leg puts the prop really deep so lots of shove from a Yanmar 2GM 20 even in a seaway.I have since bitten the bullet and converted to hydraulic driven shafts in each hull so if you want to buy a breathtakingly cheap used but sound cat drive it is sitting on a pallet in my garage….make me an offer!
7th December 2006 at 9:08 pm #11299Hi David, I would like to look at some information on the long Sillette Catdrive – do you have a website that I can go to to look at specs?
Sassy
11th December 2006 at 7:12 am #11300Hi Dave
Also like some info on the hydralic drive u use.Regards
11th December 2006 at 5:37 pm #11296http://www.sillette.co.uk
rgds, DavidH11th December 2006 at 5:58 pm #11301Steve, re Hydraulic drive;
This is simplicity itself. Anglian diesels removed the gearbox and bell housing, fitted a replacement housing with a large flexible coupling driving a fixed swash hydraulic pump. I fitted a ganged pair of pilot valves on to a bracket on the engine support frame. (This frame sits on two rails in the engine pod allowing the engine to be withdrawn into the cockpit for maintenance). Two motor units (each the size of a family tin of beans) are fitted to the drive shafts (one in each hull…. obviously!). The pump and motor units are identical giving a 2:1 reduction as per the original gear box.
The hydraulic pipes were made up by a man from Pirtek with a van and connected to give “handed” drive , ie one rotates to port and one to starboard, obviating any paddle wheel effect when going astern. To ansure minimum vibration, I bolted each motor coupling to its shaft and the motors to dwarf mounting bulkheads, fitted the shafts into glass fibre stern tubes and glassed the whole lot as one unit into the boat, ensuring perfect alignment. I then split the coupling and inserted flexibles but these are probably unnecessary.
Anglian diesels provided all the hydraulics and Sillette the propellors, shafts and stern tubes.
er…thats it. DavidH
11th December 2006 at 6:04 pm #11302Steve, There is a hydraulic header tank and a cooler as well. The latter is fitted in line with the engine raw saly water supply.
DavidH22nd December 2006 at 7:44 am #11303David – what's your best guess on cost if starting from scratch and poor DIY skills?
7th January 2007 at 7:58 pm #11304Pastasimon – what is scratch? do you have an inboard engine? sterntubes? DavidH
8th January 2007 at 9:47 pm #11305Nothing! Have centrally mounted outboard, so teher is a spce for an inboard diesel…
9th January 2007 at 9:11 am #11306I have also been thinking about adding a diesel engine with hydraulic drives but having looked on a few HT's with diesel engines, I have noticed quite a strong smell. This was not something I had considered and it has made me re-think. Do they all smell or is it just down to installtion / old engines? I guess it would be very difficult to seal the engine bay completley.
Steve
9th January 2007 at 11:36 am #11307It would be easier if the engine was going in the outboard 'well', that's out of the living area's. I guess all diesel engines smell, just twice as bad on a cat!
10th January 2007 at 11:43 pm #11308Hi there,
My wife and I are also in the process of converting from being “Outboard” driven to a “Central diesel and Twin hydraulic drives”.
I have also just updated our website http://www.heavenlytwins.co.uk with a couple of documents that you may find useful (specification and indicative costs).
Regards Bruce
11th January 2007 at 9:41 am #11309Hi Bruce
The information on your site is very good. However the pricing is rather frightening. Even with the labour costs removed that is a lot of outboard engines!!
It might have to be plan B – to see if an electric outboard could be fitted to the stern to work like a bow thruster!Thanks for the info,
Steve
23rd January 2007 at 8:43 pm #11310Hi Bruce
Your right ,good update on the website but 16 grand fot the hyd system is a bit much for us.
Just purchased Patricia Mary in Mallorca and visited her for the first time in December. Verry pleased.
Really would like to know about the internal tie bar for the steering and the plans for rhe cover support/tubing would be very usefull.Best regards
31st January 2007 at 11:40 am #11311Electric Outboards & Billiant
Just found the site. Search Torqeedo.
Looks like spot on but would two (equal to) 6 hp be ok for a twins 26.
Rgds6th February 2007 at 6:40 pm #113126hp isn't enough for an HT. But have a look at [link=hyperlink url]http://www.re-e-power.com/[/link] completely different concept and would be amazing if someone could work out how to fit them at the back of the HT keels. Imagine having all the benefits of twin diesels with none of the disadvantages – a few of their own disadvantages like needing a genset for long passages though!
13th February 2007 at 5:44 pm #11314I just checked with the UK distributors as I realised you meant 2 rather than a single unit – thereby making 12hp. They reckoned 4hp was more likely each but with a much more efficient torque curve so at least as good as a 9.9 petrol outboard. The only problem is the lack of useful experience as they've only sold 2 of this model in the last year.
This electric propulsion business is just a bit too young in the medium sized leisure market – hope it matures before my aging Yam 9.9 gives up!
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