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- 3rd November 2007 at 12:17 am #10986
I've been procrastinating on the re-power of my HT 27 for over a year now. I think I have made up my mind and will begin the installation soon. I’m sure I said that before too.
Motors: Two torqeedo cruse motors at 2Kw each
According to torqeedo’s tech support these motors should push her at 6kts. I have checked this number against independent spread sheet calculations and it is close. On torqeedo: It took me some time to get an answer from them. After three email attempts with no reply, I called Germany and got their US office number … After I got an answer in my second email I’ve asked about regen etc. but no reply again. Let’s hope their motors are a lot better than their support.Engine: I got a great deal on a D722 Kubota diesel 20HP engine with 5 hrs on it for $1.5K wanted something slightly smaller but the deal was way too good to pass up. New they are over $3.4K
APU Kit: Am working with Ecycle to get their APU kit installed on the Kubota engine which should give me more than enough power, 9Kw at reasonable RPM. Although they are trying to get me to go through a dealer, and none of the dealers on the west coast (US) has heard of them, so it’s causing some delays.
The bonus of having this additional/excess generator power means I can add an additional torqeedo if necessary if the two don’t live up to the numbers. And run the motors flat out while charging the batteries flat out.
For batteries I'm looking at thunder-sky 8 X 200AH 2.5V-4.25V L-ion basically 200 amp hours at 24-36VDC. For $2.5K EX Works (china). So probably over $3K with duties, shipping etc. Their normal charge rate is ½ capacity (0.5CA) i.e. 3.6Kw. Total Weight will be 60Kg.
Comparing this to the popular T105 lead acid you would need around 10 T105’s with 10 weighing in at 280Kg, charge time would be unacceptable but the price would be $1.3K, less than half.The motors run at a max of 4Kw and the batteries will take 3.6Kw charge, this way I think I can run on batteries for around an hour and then run the engine which will run the motors and charge the batteries back in just over an hour. So an hour on and an hour off.
It's going to cost me over $10K with spares and batteries.
I have a sillett sail drive leg, thanks DavidH, that I will install later to turn this into a parallel hybrid.There is still much to work out re. outboard brackets, charger/s, marinization and installation of the D722
Any comments, feedback will be appreciated.
20th November 2007 at 4:20 am #11579An update on the torqeedos
I finally got a response from torqeedo:The motors do provide regen
They sent me the manual, some things that caught my eye“Submerging the tiller and the shaft head can irreparably damage the electronics.â€
Apparently they are protected against swell but not submersion.There’s more:
“Occasionally use contact spray to care for the gas pressure springs, the contacts on
the power cable and the plug on the steering cable. If you use the motor in salt or
brackish water, we recommend applying contact spray once a month.â€Doesn’t sound all that robust?
20th November 2007 at 2:11 pm #11580Wish you luck Ryan, Keep us updated.
Steve
20th November 2007 at 2:14 pm #11581Wish you luck Ryan, Keep us updated.
Steve
21st November 2007 at 1:23 am #11582Ecycle has now decided to deal with me directly and allow me to do the installation (dangerous).
This will apparently give around 10Kw at 2400 RPM, the motor/generator is a brushless, solid slot, permanent magnet (NdFeB) 24v DC motor with super high efficiency 90%+.Engine at 2350 rpm
Generator will push out 29 VDC
With 45 N-m available from the diesel
The gen should push out 375 ampsThe projected cost:
This is a very raw GenSet. There are no control electronics that I am aware of. i.e. no speed actuator, no cutoff etc. Just a marinized engine with a DC motor bolted on.
All safety and voltage control is done manually. i.e. if I where to push the engine to 3400 RPM with the motor connected I would probably fry the motor. Will have to build in safety for this.
It comes with liquid cooled exhaust manf. Engine feet. Gen, Attachment brackets etc.Kit with support is $3000 + shipping $50
Engine was $1500+shipping $150
Total without installation is $4700 (2193 squid) - AuthorPosts
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