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- 31st October 2006 at 1:06 pm #10922
Hi
We have an HT27 with an outboard set-up. I like the engine and its plus points but it does make manouvering, in the marina, rather too exciting!
I have been thinking about putting in a single deisel and twin hydraulic drives, but was wondering if anybody has used a bow thruster on an HT? Would this make getting in and out of a tight berth better?
Any views appreciated.31st October 2006 at 3:03 pm #11352I completely agree about the fun manoevering. We have a policy now when entering a marina that we head for the first slot we see. If it turns out to be someone elses, that's just too bad. I have been seriously considering the option of twin e-pod's. They do a cat package for $3500. You get all the benefits of twin diesels but about 75% less weight and you keep your stoop thru's. The web site is here [link]http://re-e-power.com/cgi-bin/online/store.php[/link]
Another massive benefit is that you don't have the shaft fitting problems of a diesel engine or hydraulic drives yet the power is the same.31st October 2006 at 5:58 pm #11353They do look good but I would worry about how much power they would use on a long/rough trip.
I think you would have to have a generator onboard to ensure you don't go flat and that could turn out to be rather large. Needs quite a bit of thought on that one. I find that amps always seem to disappear quicker than they should do!!1st November 2006 at 9:40 am #11354I agree about the amps, though a diesel generator is about £250 so no problem there. One of the reasons I am interested is that 75% of my engine useage is for less than 10 minutes – going in and out of a marina or on and off the bouy. Three 100amp batteries will give 4 hours of cruising on the e-pods. I suspect though that the technology needs another year to 'mature'.
Re a bowthruster – I had thought of that as an option but worried about the change in water flow over one hull caused by the turbulance around the thruster tunnel when sailing, would it exert a turning force that would need to be counteracted with rudder, and so slow the boat? Monohulls don't have this problem! Also it would have to be a big thruster for the windage on an HT – what about the weight right up in the bow of one of the hulls? Never-the-less I would also love to hear from someone that has fitted one and found it effective.
4th November 2006 at 6:38 pm #11355Hy Guy's.
Funny enough I have been talking about this for some time, but on the forum I bought our HT from.The solomon is interesting but although seems to cover it all it would cost around 6 -9 grand if you bought a genset as well.
I so decided that we would fit a Vetus 55 in ours next January. Only a 6 inch tube. Well worth a very small amount of drag and someone who fittied one to a Catalack recons it's great.
Cost is abou 1 grand with battery. However like you I would only use it in harbour and for around 10 mns at a tim, so would fit the battery with a good solar panel. ( In the Med so no probs)
However this RE E Power is new to me so I will check it out. I have a feeling its only for manuvering and not heavy enough for main drive , even with a gen set.
Best regards
4th November 2006 at 7:37 pm #11351I agree with the price issues with the Solomon's – they are ridiculous.
Don't we confused by the pictures of the Re-e-power units – they are much bigger and beefier than they look, so much so that you can fit a standard inboard diesel prop to them if you want.5th November 2006 at 2:05 pm #11356Hi Pastasimon
Ok I have looked and I am impressed. Will write and ask for testimonials.
The 2000 series looks good and cheap enough to fit as an Auxilary / steering help and possibly a get me home if all else fails.
The Vetus bow thruster is going to cost $ 2000 at least if I get it proff fitted.Two new sites I got today and will check out tonight are.
Thoosa & Ecycle.The problem is now that just when I make a desision, someone passes on a new idea.
Best regards
14th August 2007 at 2:04 pm #11357Hi all,
We are looking at an old HT which will need repowering if we buy. Could you let me know how your thoughts on these units progressed – especially if anyone actually fitted them?
Fair winds to all (v wet and windy Devon today)
Adrian15th August 2007 at 11:06 am #11359A few weeks ago an 8 meter Catalac came motoring towards us.while we were sheltering in the harbour of Terschelling. With 6bft winds in his back the sailor shouted:” I'm sailing alone!!” I understood that he needed help and that he wanted to land alongside our boat. (mmm.. floating caravan, but its a cat so..OK!)I grabbed our biggest fender and waited for the things to come. His outboard was roaring in reverse to get the speed out. He tried to steer upwind to get the cat alongside. Dangerously close the bow was going to pierce our hull. GRAAHH, GRAAAAHHHH…….. Just as I expected witness damage of an accident, the bow moved upwind!!
Bow thruster. The owner explained that he put one in because he could hardly manouvre with his 10hp outboard that moved (half stroke) along with the rudders. He didn't mention any lack in sailing performance and was quite happy with the thruster. The next day at 5 bft he left. Again downwind. With the outboard in reverse and pointing upwind he tried to get away. GRAAHHH…GRAAAAAAHHHHH….GRAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! the bows went upwind too. A minute later he was on his way. Bowthruster!!
It worked fine!!15th August 2007 at 11:13 am #11358Mmmm…. he had to sail away upwind, of course.
15th August 2007 at 1:35 pm #11360Maybe Pastorsimon can now answer this one now Juup as he should of tested out his electric jobby by now.
Steve
3rd September 2007 at 1:46 pm #11361I wish I had!
The factory in Germany have been so busy that I'm having to wait until the end of this week to get my hands on the thing – aaah! I've got everything ready, the control cables, remote throttle and battery cables all look very good quality and well designed. The write up in PBO of the smaller unit rates it as the best on the market etc – but I won't know until I've fitted it on the weekend of 21st September.
So far it has all the makings of a very useful engine; a sternthruster, emergency steering and a very quiet auxilary motor rated at 6hp at the prop (equivalnet to about 7.5hp diesel inboard).
It's so quiet in oppertaion that if ever any of you end up racing us, and find we are inexplicably drawing ahead – you'll know why.
Full pics and write up the moment it's fitted.
5th September 2007 at 1:00 pm #11362Ok , got it, can't wait.
Steve
26th October 2007 at 1:29 pm #11363Well Pastor,
Can you give us an update yet or was it so bad you don't want to talk about it
LOL
Steve4th January 2008 at 5:52 pm #11364Hi you thrusterguys
Have a look here http://www.willdo.eu/ is there something that you could use?
Juup13th January 2008 at 11:23 am #11365Has anyone done any measurements of the windage forces on the HT26 in different wind strengths? It would be useful in determining the size of thruster required. My guess is that the CdA of the HT26 side-on can't exceed 12sq.m which would give a total side force of about 72kgf in a 10m/s surface wind. Assuming the bow thruster needs to generate somewhat over half of this (assuming about an equal split of the windage between bow and stern) it looks as if a 2kW thruster should be more than up to the job although the ones with a 5 inch tunnel seem marginal. A thruster on a drop-down strut could easily use an 8 inch prop which would be much more effective (a rough sum suggests over 55kgf for a 2.2kW motor driving an 8 inch prop)
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