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  • #11080

      Has there been any research into this subject Why?…when?..how to ameliorate?….what are the slats etc trying to prevent….what is the problem and how are members trying to sort it?

      #11827

        Dear David

        You have a talent for asking questions that require a long and complex answer. I hope you are sitting comfortably.

        Slamming happens only in a short uncomfortable chop and not in large ocean swells. Also only going to windward. It is to do with the hull design and clearance from the water. Usually the bigger the boat, the less the slamming. There is little you can do to change that, except in the way you sail. In essence most catamaran owners simply accept a certain amount of slamming, and minimise it by taking a different course to the waves.

        My understanding is that catamaran design has evolved dramatically over the years. The early ones in the 60s and 70s were very narrow and the bridgedeck clearance from the water was not very high. The narrowness led to instability and boats had a tendency to capsize. Water rushing throught the gap between the hulls when the boat was moving tended to be forced upwards (due to the confined space) and would slap on the accommodation part of the boat. In small boats the accommodation tended to be fairly far forward, to maximise the space available, so it accentuated this.

        The next generation of catamarans (HT included) were built wider to solve the instability, but still had low bridgdeck clearance and a tendency to slam.

        The newer and usually bigger boats including the French designs have a much higher bridgedeck clearance. They can afford to do it on bigger boats as they can manage to make the whole thing much taller, without the boat looking out of proportion. Also they can have sufficient accommodation further aft in the boat, which leaves the water more space before it hits the accommodation block. The down side to the boats having higher bridgedeck clearance (and usually with standing headroom in the accommodation) is that the boat has substantial bulk which it presents to the wind. Running downwind it is its own sail, before you add any canvas. Upwind and at anchor it has a lot of bulk to fight against the wind.

        Pats early designs (prior to the OT38 and T36) are somewhere in the middle ground. Small boats, maximising the accommodation, wide enough to be stable but not tall enough to totally prevent slamming. The boats are not helped by the tendency to nod in an awkward sea.

        The design of the bow and stern are of similar size and profile to give them excellent sea keeping in big seas, but they can see saw in just the wrong conditions. Broader sterns would help this, but you can help simply by adding just a little more weight aft and keeping the bows light. Don't overdo the aft heavy though, or you are into a whole new scenario. The hulls on the older cats and Pat's in particular have bows that sheer, leaving the waterline length much less than the length overall. HT Grey Dove has altered the bow shape (and so have several of the Ocean Winds). This would help the nodding effect, by making the hulls less symetrical. The point of the bows, and the extra waterline length helps cut through the water, improving performance.

        You asked about the slats. The original design had a wooden slatted foredeck in order to keep it light. Later models changed to a solid fibreglass foredeck with no noticeable increase to slamming. The solid foredeck is a great comfort to work on in seriously bad weather, but it is heavier. Trampolines would be light, but I know which I would want to work on if the going got tough. It depends what type of sailing you are going to do. Round the cans or round the world….

        Hope that helps…

        Chrissie

        #11829

          Dear David

          We have been talking about the down sides to sailing catamarans, but have not really mentioned the good side. I thought maybe we should just consider that too. Pat Patterson built really sea worthy safe boats. There are 3 HTs that have circumnavigated, 1 Ocean Winds, and 1 Ocean Twins. Other HTs have crossed the Atlantic repeatedly (or to live in America) and many have travelled to the Med to do some cruising. When you think that the HT is only 26ft it is an amazing testament to their ability. The people accomplishing this are not the Ellen MacArthurs or the Roblin Knox Johnsons, they are ordinary people like you and me! The boats have looked after them all the way round! I have known smaller boats to circumnavigate, but very few…..

          OK so there are a few down sides. Everything is a compromise. In general multihulls and Pat's designs in particular are very safe, reliable and comfortable boats and will look after you almost anywhere you choose to go. It is best if you treat them well, look after them and do the maintenance. If you do she should take you anywhere you want to go. Maybe not at breakneck speed, but she WILL get you there.

          Cheers
          Chrissie

          #11830

            Thanks Chrissie

            For taking so much time to explain all of this…many hours of reading and trawling the internet have been avoided.

            I well understand the nature of compromise so can see the dilemmas faced by designers here. I have been trying to comprehend the nature of flow between the hulls and was wondering what, if any, water tank tests had been undertaken by the designers a la car designers with laminar airflow….I had suspected that the problem is exacerbated by the inability of water to escape the underside easily so rears up….your comments about early designs confirmed that….the nacelle underneath presumably can help with that. I also wondered whether anyone had fitted bow bulbs.

            Fear not about selling the positive aspects of the cat to me …I have come to boating later in life but with an open mind hence ending up here! Being a tad older and wiser safety enters into the equation in a big way hence the attraction of these boats.

            P.s. I also get the impression that cat owners are very different to some yachties!

            #11828

              my broad experience in naval buiding , i.e. a quick look at Wikipedia 🙂 gave that result :
              “”Bulbous bows have been found to be most effective under the following conditions:

              when used on hulls with waterline lengths of more than about 15 m (50 ft)
              when used on long, narrow hulls
              when used at speeds close to the vessel's maximum speed
              These points make them a standard feature for cargo ships, naval vessels and passenger ships, all of which are large, narrow and usually operate within a small range of speeds close to their top speed. On the other hand, they are virtually unknown in recreational craft like yachts, especially sailing vessels, which operate in a wide range of speeds and even heel over.””
              I had read too in a french article than the forces applied on bulb on a slaming boat would be so big than it would be difficult to reinforce the bow without putting an heavy weight in the front (bow).

              #11831

                I was thinking along the lines not to use them as is usual, for reasons of efficency…improving speed or fuel consumption..but to provide greater buoyancy to help ease nodding, provide a more stable hull and thus even water flow between the hulls.

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