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- 19th March 2007 at 12:03 am #10943
Does anyone have any experience of water lubricated shaft seals?
How are yours lubricated…direct from the engine or from water scoops?
I have some reservation about feeding them both from the engine (central diesel with twin hydraulics) given the amount of water I could be drawing…thus reducing the amount of water in the exhaust system?
Do I need to worry?
Thanks
24th March 2007 at 12:04 am #11440I have fitted two Deep Sea Seals. Not cheap (£130-ish plus VAT each), but they are simple, have minimum set up requirements, require no-maintenance – & they seem to work. The only significant hassle fitting them was detaching the prop shafts from the gearboxes, when this had not been done for over 15 years. But that's another story. They are lubricated directly by seawater ingress thru the stern tubes – no need for any take off from the engine (although there's a connection to do this if required). My seals don't even get warm. You'd be amazed at the amount of water that flows through the tiny openings between the shaft 'bearing' and the shaft. Not sure how this works with a central diesel though). My research seemed to show that only faster revolving shafts (>3000/4000 rpm) require the fancy cooling arrangements. Look in PBO under T Norris – good range of products on website. For Deep Sea Seals, I used Lancing Marine (www.lancingmarine.com) – very efficient and quick. Hope this helps.
Nick, HT Gee Bee.10th April 2007 at 7:21 pm #11441Thanks Gee Bee for the update. Unfortunately the shaft seals I have already purchased need water lubrication (Vetus) so will now raise with Vetus and Beta Marine directly.
Note to self: Before buying….. research installation requirements in more detail!!!
Thanks
18th April 2007 at 12:41 pm #11442Nick,
I have an newly acquired HT 27 with deep sea seals. Like you have done, the seals although attached with tubing to the engine compartment, are not supplied with water from the engine pump (as recommended). They work well without the water supply as far as I can see, but I was worried about this since reading the manufacturers installlation manual it said water supply was necessary; so I am pleased to read you came to the same conclusion. When I ran the engine on purchase I noticed water in the pipes, a good check I think that the seal is being supplied by water from it squeezing past the cuttless bearing.
A worry for me though is that when I put the boat on the hard for the winter I inspected everything on the boat (as you would on a new purchase). I naively found the (emergency) red jubillee clips on the seals were loose and so tightened them. Subsequently, having read the installation manual acquired from T. Norris, I realised my error and loosened them again (never ran engine with them tightened). I am hoping that the emergency contraction of the gland is reversible when you loosen off the jubillee clips (T. Norris didn't know). Hve you any idea if it's reversible? The boat goes in the water this Saturday (21st) so I suppose I will soon find out! I will go with a thick plastic role and ties to shut off the seal if it leaks!23rd April 2007 at 10:46 pm #11439Alistair, as you didn't run the props, it should be fine. I say this because I had an old deep sea seal which I had to replace while afloat, and I closed it up and opened it a few times (without problems over a month while I grappled with getting the prop shaft off!) I tell you, when you do something like this when afloat, it is impressive how much water comes in through such a small opening! Quite a lesson initself.
4th May 2007 at 11:44 am #11443Nick,
Thanks for that. I was hoping you might have inspected an old seal during your change over. Anyway I launched and haven't sunk yet. You're right though I pulled back the seal to seee if water was coming up the stern tube and wow it fairly flows in. A complete failure would be catastrophic if unattended, but I think this would be very rare, more likely a gradual leak with excessive wear would be likely and now with the knowledge you've supplied the answer I think probably would be to tighten the emergency ring when unattended until sorted.
Happy sailing (afloat!), Alastair - AuthorPosts
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